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T O P I C R E V I E WFleurdelisPotential to be one?I know someone with this placement. Taurus sun; moon/Pluto Scorpio. She is sweet and gorgeous on the surface, but scratch it and underneath is someone who practically thrives on manipulation and creating pain, competition and chaos.. Subtle, clever manipulations that no one would suspect she is stirring the pot!Is it possible for this person not to be cruel/jealous? It seems her placement tortures the bearer to such an extent it has to ooze out...She is one of the most saccharine sweet people you'll meet, but only if you don't get to scratch the surface!Any other stories to verify or reject this description of the moon conjunct Pluto in Scorpio?She once confessed that she was a bully throughout school.. Guess it will never stop!geeaedit: off topichannaramaaI'm on the fence about these kind of observations because she isn't here to acknowledge herself, you know? However, I have Moon opp. Pluto and love talking about it and love the placement (anything involving the Moon OR Pluto really) so my perspective might be applicable.I'm one of the stereotypical Moon/Pluto people who've had tumultuous relationships with their mother. She was/is very controlling. Even though I'm an adult now, there's still a duality to my emotions because I can either be very easy going or very controlling myself but it's hard to compromise the two. I tend to attract submissive people, and in turn when someone is blatantly dominant I'm intimidated and become submissive (Moon in the 11th, Pluto in the 5H. Lucky me, very "people" oriented houses.) I can be a bully, definitely. It's not something I'm proud of though but what I AM proud of, in a sick way, is how untouchable I feel. Most (but not all thanks to Moon trine Neptune in the 7H) of the time I can see people's motivations. I know right away if I like someone, if someone is a good person, trustworthy/not trustworthy. If I sense your untrustworthy or aren't genuine, I keep my distance. There's no way you'll be able to scratch anything because I won't go near you with a 10-foot pole, not happening! Moon conjunct Pluto is probably more overpowering than Moon opposition but they're both strong aspects the same. I would imagine it's harder for a Venusian sun to control something like Pluto. A lot of her reactions seem mostly fear based and out of insecurity, and really all bullying is fear based anyway. I have a feeling she projects an image of confidence and power, and is quite good at games (I have a quadruple Scorpio friend...) but really all they need is a hug, and consistency and they will begin to trust you. That's what works for me anyway. By the way sorry if I rambled! I only got 4 hours of sleep and tend to go on about nothing that makes sense when that happens.peachbeigeblueI'm Leo Sun Taurus Moon Scorpio Pluto ^ all make a tsquare. Also, I'm Scorpio Rising. I don't think I'm evil but I can be very powerful and I might have been worse with it when I was younger. But I'm a spiritual person and want to always do the right thing. I put all my energy into that its_aquaI have the quincunx between Moon and Pluto in Scorpio.I do am a sweet and easy-going person but that doesnt mean there isnt a lot going under the surface.But that doesnt make me a bad person either.Most people think of me as a naive,blonde girl who is on her own little world and isnt capable of doing anything bad. Im not a bad person, but im not naive either. if people want to think that, I just let them believe it instead of showing off that im not stupid nor naive. I can be very manipulative, but so far I have never done anything to cause harm to other people. Manipulating works better for me cause I have trouble expressing my needs and wants and fighting for the things I deserve in a direct way, so I manage to get the things I want this way. Or I can be manipulative when Im trying to "win" a guy over some other girl or when I am in a relationship.L0veLessMoon conjunct pluto in scorpio 2H here. I'm not that way. lol No cruel intentions hidden under the surface. If anything, for me my problems are with myself not others! Maybe she has other stuff going on ya know?She also has her sun opposite it. So maybe that?PixieJaneScorpio has many manifestations and the gray lizard would fit, so a gray lizard manifestation of a person's moon (how one connects with others emotionally) aligned with a gray lizard of Pluto's obsessive and deep emotional needs could certainly give that potential. ETA: Again, Scorpio has other manifestations, including Eagle and Phoenix, not just the Gray Lizard. Having this sign wouldn't mandate one be a Gray Lizard, it's just a potential based on other factors.PixieJaneBtw, I found your question a little confusing. Only a few Death Eaters match that type of person (the one most like that is Dolores and she wasn't actually a Death Eater but more of a fellow traveler who enjoyed the power they gave her and they enjoyed what a front she made for them, especially with her ability to summon a patronus, which no Death Eater was known to be able to do unless you count Snape...and I don't), and plenty of people who seemed nice in the Potterverse turned out to be horrid bullies themselves (like James Potter, for example). Others could fit the description, too, such as Fudge and Rita Skeeter, though granted they did that for self-aggrandizement rather than sadism. But anyway, you might enjoy this thread: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/220020.html L0veLessI was thinking of that too PixieJane! Bout how linda wrote of the 3 types of scorpio. But what if you don't fall into any of the categories? Like you're just sort of neutral? That would just be plain ol' Scorpio? hikoroopi have seen it...those scorpionic folks do exist....being sneaky, stirring the pot...like, this machiavellian nature, as if they were playing chess with people and manipulating things just to create drama or, out of curiosity....PixieJane quote:Originally posted by L0veLess:I was thinking of that too PixieJane! Bout how linda wrote of the 3 types of scorpio. But what if you don't fall into any of the categories? Like you're just sort of neutral? That would just be plain ol' Scorpio? Plain ol' Scorpio sounds fine to me. And it would make sense that "gray hats" (as opposed to white and black hats) exist here as many Scorpios are attracted to the occult, and many traditions don't seek either power or devotion to inner development but rather balance, to recognize what many call the good and the evil both within and the world around them and to harmonize them rather than trying to feed one while starving the other as the Eagle and Gray Lizard do. And I suppose with a lot of energy from other sources that it might keep the Scorpio current weak enough that they're not forced to sink or swim. Nevertheless, when I think of Scorpio energy I tend to think of it as a raging current, and those caught within it either become stronger for it able to swim (and thus Eagles, etc) or drown in it (and thus Gray Lizards). It depends on their inner-strength and help they get growing up that decides whether they fly or drown in Scorpio's energy. Or put metaphorically: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A59SQO2FvPA L0veLessLOL nice metaphor! I love the scorpion king movie! and mummy movies too! freebrainstorms quote:Originally posted by PixieJane:Btw, I found your question a little confusing. Only a few Death Eaters match that type of person (the one most like that is Dolores and she wasn't actually a Death Eater but more of a fellow traveler who enjoyed the power they gave her and they enjoyed what a front she made for them, especially with her ability to summon a patronus, which no Death Eater was known to be able to do unless you count Snape...and I don't), and plenty of people who seemed nice in the Potterverse turned out to be horrid bullies themselves (like James Potter, for example). Others could fit the description, too, such as Fudge and Rita Skeeter, though granted they did that for self-aggrandizement rather than sadism. But anyway, you might enjoy this thread: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/220020.html i love potter fans<3
I know someone with this placement. Taurus sun; moon/Pluto Scorpio. She is sweet and gorgeous on the surface, but scratch it and underneath is someone who practically thrives on manipulation and creating pain, competition and chaos.. Subtle, clever manipulations that no one would suspect she is stirring the pot!
Is it possible for this person not to be cruel/jealous? It seems her placement tortures the bearer to such an extent it has to ooze out...
She is one of the most saccharine sweet people you'll meet, but only if you don't get to scratch the surface!
Any other stories to verify or reject this description of the moon conjunct Pluto in Scorpio?
She once confessed that she was a bully throughout school.. Guess it will never stop!
I'm one of the stereotypical Moon/Pluto people who've had tumultuous relationships with their mother. She was/is very controlling. Even though I'm an adult now, there's still a duality to my emotions because I can either be very easy going or very controlling myself but it's hard to compromise the two. I tend to attract submissive people, and in turn when someone is blatantly dominant I'm intimidated and become submissive (Moon in the 11th, Pluto in the 5H. Lucky me, very "people" oriented houses.)
I can be a bully, definitely. It's not something I'm proud of though but what I AM proud of, in a sick way, is how untouchable I feel. Most (but not all thanks to Moon trine Neptune in the 7H) of the time I can see people's motivations. I know right away if I like someone, if someone is a good person, trustworthy/not trustworthy. If I sense your untrustworthy or aren't genuine, I keep my distance. There's no way you'll be able to scratch anything because I won't go near you with a 10-foot pole, not happening!
Moon conjunct Pluto is probably more overpowering than Moon opposition but they're both strong aspects the same. I would imagine it's harder for a Venusian sun to control something like Pluto. A lot of her reactions seem mostly fear based and out of insecurity, and really all bullying is fear based anyway. I have a feeling she projects an image of confidence and power, and is quite good at games (I have a quadruple Scorpio friend...) but really all they need is a hug, and consistency and they will begin to trust you. That's what works for me anyway.
By the way sorry if I rambled! I only got 4 hours of sleep and tend to go on about nothing that makes sense when that happens.
^ all make a tsquare. Also, I'm Scorpio Rising.
I don't think I'm evil but I can be very powerful and I might have been worse with it when I was younger. But I'm a spiritual person and want to always do the right thing. I put all my energy into that
Maybe she has other stuff going on ya know?She also has her sun opposite it. So maybe that?
ETA: Again, Scorpio has other manifestations, including Eagle and Phoenix, not just the Gray Lizard. Having this sign wouldn't mandate one be a Gray Lizard, it's just a potential based on other factors.
But anyway, you might enjoy this thread: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/220020.html
i have seen it...those scorpionic folks do exist....being sneaky, stirring the pot...like, this machiavellian nature, as if they were playing chess with people and manipulating things just to create drama or, out of curiosity....
quote:Originally posted by L0veLess:I was thinking of that too PixieJane! Bout how linda wrote of the 3 types of scorpio. But what if you don't fall into any of the categories? Like you're just sort of neutral? That would just be plain ol' Scorpio?
Plain ol' Scorpio sounds fine to me. And it would make sense that "gray hats" (as opposed to white and black hats) exist here as many Scorpios are attracted to the occult, and many traditions don't seek either power or devotion to inner development but rather balance, to recognize what many call the good and the evil both within and the world around them and to harmonize them rather than trying to feed one while starving the other as the Eagle and Gray Lizard do. And I suppose with a lot of energy from other sources that it might keep the Scorpio current weak enough that they're not forced to sink or swim.
Nevertheless, when I think of Scorpio energy I tend to think of it as a raging current, and those caught within it either become stronger for it able to swim (and thus Eagles, etc) or drown in it (and thus Gray Lizards). It depends on their inner-strength and help they get growing up that decides whether they fly or drown in Scorpio's energy. Or put metaphorically: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A59SQO2FvPA
quote:Originally posted by PixieJane:Btw, I found your question a little confusing. Only a few Death Eaters match that type of person (the one most like that is Dolores and she wasn't actually a Death Eater but more of a fellow traveler who enjoyed the power they gave her and they enjoyed what a front she made for them, especially with her ability to summon a patronus, which no Death Eater was known to be able to do unless you count Snape...and I don't), and plenty of people who seemed nice in the Potterverse turned out to be horrid bullies themselves (like James Potter, for example). Others could fit the description, too, such as Fudge and Rita Skeeter, though granted they did that for self-aggrandizement rather than sadism. But anyway, you might enjoy this thread: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/220020.html
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